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Posted 11 April 2021 - 01:47 PM #1

I know it may be a long while away, but is it possible to get an estimate on when CS-Cart 5 will be released?



 
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Posted 11 April 2021 - 02:08 PM #2

Minumum in next 3-4 years, cs-team really slow working



 
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Posted 11 April 2021 - 02:31 PM #3

I really hope not. CS-Cart used to be amazing and I am very hopeful for CS5. I am willing to stick around if it is coming out soon.



 
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Posted 11 April 2021 - 03:29 PM #4

I hope i am wrong



 
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Posted 12 April 2021 - 04:26 AM #5

Minumum in next 3-4 years, cs-team really slow working

 

Last time I heard about end of 2021. But this is not official information


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Posted 12 April 2021 - 05:53 AM #6

Developers burn their and our time on irreverent projects.. So much time invested in merchium platform and from website it looks like project is abandoned.. Same as ebay, facebook store and so on..

Somebody from within team has a bright new idea everyday to focus on things that do not make any sales, while main product gets behind and outdated..



 
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Posted 12 April 2021 - 07:19 AM #7

Developers burn their and our time on irreverent projects.. So much time invested in merchium platform and from website it looks like project is abandoned.. Same as ebay, facebook store and so on..

Somebody from within team has a bright new idea everyday to focus on things that do not make any sales, while main product gets behind and outdated..

 

I bet this "somebody" lives in a place where the time has stopped about 10+ years ago and he/she actually never shops online  :D



 
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Posted 12 April 2021 - 08:24 AM #8

Absolutely I agree. cs-cart is spending time with empty projects.



 
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Posted 12 April 2021 - 08:29 AM #9

I bet this "somebody" lives in a place where the time has stopped about 10+ years ago and he/she actually never shops online  :D

About 3 years ago I have advised cs-cart to sell something like t-shirts with cs-cart logo just to try out their own product in action :)

Monday morning, a meeting, ok folks our checkout ***** :D



 
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Posted 12 April 2021 - 08:34 AM #10

Developers burn their and our time on irreverent projects.. So much time invested in merchium platform and from website it looks like project is abandoned.. Same as ebay, facebook store and so on..

Somebody from within team has a bright new idea everyday to focus on things that do not make any sales, while main product gets behind and outdated..

But a large part is due to 3rd party developers as well. Cs-Cart has gotten scared of releasing fast, new, breaking changes, which is prohibiting them a lot in refactoring large parts of the codebase.

 

If developers agree, 4.14 can have as many breaking changes as cscart wants, we wont complain, it will be an amazing release.


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Posted 12 April 2021 - 08:42 AM #11

version 4 is out of date,
I haven't seen a person satisfied that people move to other platforms.
An innovative vision is a must, already 10-15 companies are actually developing a nice addons for cs-cart.
For example, look at odoo, it has hundreds of developers, it's a complete ecosystem.
And in the versions released, 75% own R&D, 25% act according to customer requests.
Cs-cart always ignores customer requests.
If cs-cart wants to create its own ecosystem, it has to adapt to innovations instantly.


 
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Posted 12 April 2021 - 10:06 AM #12

Absolutely I agree. cs-cart is spending time with empty projects.

 

Adding more and more decoration on already dried and cracked christmas tree  :D



 
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Posted 12 April 2021 - 10:09 AM #13

About 3 years ago I have advised cs-cart to sell something like t-shirts with cs-cart logo just to try out their own product in action :)

Monday morning, a meeting, ok folks our checkout ***** :D

 

You were asking them to get burned by their own fire?  :D



 
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Posted 12 April 2021 - 10:29 AM #14

A group of talented coders/developers led to a wrong direction - that's what cs-cart has become. Sadly...



 
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Posted 13 April 2021 - 10:45 PM #15

But a large part is due to 3rd party developers as well. Cs-Cart has gotten scared of releasing fast, new, breaking changes, which is prohibiting them a lot in refactoring large parts of the codebase.

 

If developers agree, 4.14 can have as many breaking changes as cscart wants, we wont complain, it will be an amazing release.

 

Huh?  Cs-cart breaks addons every release.  Variations, Common Products, Warehouses.  All of these break addons that have nothing to do with the functionality they provide only because they do not want to update their own addons to be compliant with their new changes (easy way out).  If they used an explicit "excluded" fields list in the schemas rather than an "included fields" list, many addons would survive their changes.  They would also have to "conditionalize" their own addons to use hooks appropriately so that the "Add-ons" tab would be what it is intended to be; a collection of add data inputs for products.  Instead, their choice it to remove the tab entirely requiring addon developers to create unique tabs for their addons.  Tab pollution is the result.

 

Suggest that people who really think cs-cart is cautious about addon developers actually product production addons and see what happens....

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Posted 14 April 2021 - 07:29 PM #16

Huh?  Cs-cart breaks addons every release.  Variations, Common Products, Warehouses.  All of these break addons that have nothing to do with the functionality they provide only because they do not want to update their own addons to be compliant with their new changes (easy way out).  If they used an explicit "excluded" fields list in the schemas rather than an "included fields" list, many addons would survive their changes.  They would also have to "conditionalize" their own addons to use hooks appropriately so that the "Add-ons" tab would be what it is intended to be; a collection of add data inputs for products.  Instead, their choice it to remove the tab entirely requiring addon developers to create unique tabs for their addons.  Tab pollution is the result.

 

Suggest that people who really think cs-cart is cautious about addon developers actually product production addons and see what happens....

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I have not had any of my 30 or so addons break since 4.9. Also, I dont put add-ons on the marketplace because of customers expecting 100 hours of work for just 15 euros, which is a whole other issue.

 

Regardless, every part they want to rework, is either saved for v5, or blocked because of backward compatability.


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Posted 14 April 2021 - 08:00 PM #17

Do you do addons for MVE where Common Products or Warehouses are used?  Where do you put your product configuration details for the product?  You can't even use the normal tab_content hooks after creating your  unique tab using these addons since they too are disabled.  You have to use the extra_tabs hook which then requires you to specify the form in the input fields. 

 

Historically, cs-cart used to care about addon developers and respected the investment they made in developing our mutual customer' solutions.  But now, someone creates an addon to solve customer problems and cs-cart comes up with a half-baked solution that solves part of it but makes the addon effectively pointless.  Hence investment wasted.  I've been doing custom and addon development in cs-cart for more than 12 years at this point and things have certainly changed.  There is near zero developer support other than from other 3rd party developers.


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Posted 15 April 2021 - 06:43 AM #18

I always say, I'll say it again
 
Cs-cart should put Common product addon at the center of the Multi vendor version, now all marketplaces I know do not allow non-common products.
 
Sellers must request to add common products to the Catalog.
 
Actual product is required for the common products (cheapest price, or the seller with the best score),
 
Common product plugin  does not work in harmony with any other plugins, some of these plugins are;
"Customer aslo bought, Best Seller, Vendor comminication"
 
In promotions, both the main product and the store product come out. a solution must be found for this.
 
Cs-cart does everything sketchy like this @harmsmitsdev , you probably just use the polls and zoom plugin or something.


 
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Posted 15 April 2021 - 06:17 PM #19

I can point you to several MVE sites that do NOT want to use Common Products mostly due to the number of addons they have which then do not function or because they sell individual works (mostly art sites, photography, etc.).

 

Again, they wouldn't break all their own and other's addons if they had common products utilize excluded fields rather than included fields.  It would still take modification of many addons that will not apply to common products such as Best Seller (and others) that use the Addon's tab but may not use columns of the products table.

 

Think what  product details page is going to look like when every addon has to have its own individual tab.

 

There is no good reason to have one addon of cs-cart break many 3rd party addons because they didn't want to do the work within their own addons to make them compatible.


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Posted 15 April 2021 - 08:14 PM #20

Adding more and more decoration on already dried and cracked christmas tree  :D

 

I call them bells and whistles..and I have been telling this for a couple of years now..goes on a deaf ear.