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Posted 17 February 2016 - 08:28 PM #121

I suggest to go shpping if we dont have invoices ;)

 
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Posted 17 February 2016 - 08:32 PM #122

Didn't say it was a negative.  But the compatibility impacts would be large and I doubt that the API could insulate merchants from the change making the API pretty much useless.


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Posted 17 February 2016 - 08:39 PM #123

Didn't say it was a negative.  But the compatibility impacts would be large and I doubt that the API could insulate merchants from the change making the API pretty much useless.

Larger icompatibilty is to leave business run on current status and let them hope they will never get an inspection.

I never said let change something and make the rest to nothing. Improvements has to be implemented carefully.
Second it's a change on a invoice template and adding extra field to related tax number presentation.

 
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Posted 17 February 2016 - 08:41 PM #124

I would say let's add true business potenital to this awesome software; )

 
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Posted 25 February 2016 - 05:03 PM #125

I would say let's add true business potenital to this awesome software; )

 

totally agreed with you.



 
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Posted 10 March 2016 - 04:21 PM #126

@Darius,

 

That's a bit of a misquote.  Taxes are critical for most of the US (Oregon is one of 3 states without sales tax).  There are very few taxes applied at the federal level in the US that would be taken in an online transaction.  About the only one I can think of that would be sold online is automobile tires. There is a federal tire tax (and many state/local taxes related to automobile staples) but I would guess that it is never tax exempt and is usually embedded in the price and rarely separately reported.

 

Many merchants have stated, county and city taxes that are all calculated separately and applied based on shipping destination.  Whether some or all can be tax exempt is a 50 question (1 per state) and countless county and local tax agencies.  Note too that exemption may apply at one tax authority and not others.  That's why I think that having the exemption based on usergroup at the tax level is the way to go.

 

My point is that not all countries have VAT type tax (GST in Canada) and so hard wiring an ecommerce system to any specific type of taxation is not appropriate.   Support for a global ecommerce system either needs to account for and correctly handle tax "configurations" properly both in amounts and invoice reporting or it needs to support the raw data and leave the reporting to addon developers (or merchants themselves) and provide access to the data so that tax packages can be provided as an addon feature for each jurisdiction that is outside the "standards supported".

 

It must be my classical liberal, old right conservative look on taxation but the most prosperous nations have little or no taxes, you may pay a fee of some sort for let's say roads, infrastructure but an income, payroll, sales tax are usually for the benefit of companies profit an non for profit that apply a lot of rent seeking methods to get financial gains rather than via the profit system where you provide value to the marketplace and thus society as an whole.

 

The whole tax scheme as it is is being abused by corporate welfare, funding wars oh wait.. conflicts we call them nowadays. Wonderful. That is why I personally loath taxation as it is. But what can you do, I believe that tax competition is a wonderful thing but our governments usually don't like it or those who control the government as you may say so. 

At any rate I am in The Netherlands and most of my customers are in the EU, some in the US, some in Norway (not part of the EU) and others in Switzerland, Russian Federation and most of them are just B2C sales. The addon that Seonid offers - http://cs-cart.seoni...vat-number.htmlseems to fit our need.


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Posted 10 March 2016 - 04:48 PM #127

Why don't you publish the addon in the marketplace? :) this doesn't have nothing eith the 0% tax problem discussed here...

 
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Posted 10 March 2016 - 05:04 PM #128

Why don't you publish the addon in the marketplace? :) this doesn't have nothing eith the 0% tax problem discussed here...

 

It is not mine  :mrgreen:

 

Secondly the 0% tax problem is not solved in this add on ?? :-(


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Posted 10 March 2016 - 05:04 PM #129

Please keep politics out of the forums.


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Posted 10 March 2016 - 05:05 PM #130

Please keep politics out of the forums.

You did not read my last part of the post Tony. 

 

At any rate are you and other saying that there is no real solution for the 0% Tax rule for CS Cart other than some custom coding and nothing build into the system  nor a valuable addon ?


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Posted 10 March 2016 - 05:15 PM #131

Yes I read your whole post.  I just think that if we stick to cs-cart business/technical issues then we don't get our feathers ruffled by our differing socio-economic-political views. 

 

Yep, Oregon is a pretty liberal state (actually Portland is the liberal area and most of the rest is dominantly conservative but Portland metro area has like 70% of the population).  That doesn't mean that all it's residents are.  In fact, it is the conservatives in the state that have kept sales tax out.  However, I'd rather have a sales tax than an income tax.  But never known an entity to add a tax and take away another.  Usually it's just add.  Tax on consumption is a much fairer tax than on income.  Plus all those California tourists can then help pay our bills! :-)


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Posted 10 March 2016 - 05:53 PM #132

Yes I read your whole post.  I just think that if we stick to cs-cart business/technical issues then we don't get our feathers ruffled by our differing socio-economic-political views. 

 

Yep, Oregon is a pretty liberal state (actually Portland is the liberal area and most of the rest is dominantly conservative but Portland metro area has like 70% of the population).  That doesn't mean that all it's residents are.  In fact, it is the conservatives in the state that have kept sales tax out.  However, I'd rather have a sales tax than an income tax.  But never known an entity to add a tax and take away another.  Usually it's just add.  Tax on consumption is a much fairer tax than on income.  Plus all those California tourists can then help pay our bills! :-)

 

I agree with your view on the salestax being a better alternative.

 

But okay back on topic. Is this still a fact by default CS Cart does not handle a B2B intra communitairy transaction as we (used to) call it a real pain. Being in a violation can be darn costly for us and others.


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Posted 11 March 2016 - 08:17 PM #133

Don't disagree.  To do a one size fits all tax model is difficult.  I would suggest they pick 3 scenarios and let a merchant load whichever scenario best fits their needs (and 'none' could be 4th for good old Oregon).


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Posted 17 March 2016 - 08:10 AM #134

I agree with your view on the salestax being a better alternative.

 

But okay back on topic. Is this still a fact by default CS Cart does not handle a B2B intra communitairy transaction as we (used to) call it a real pain. Being in a violation can be darn costly for us and others.

Antony,

 

Do you think linking usergroups to tax rates will solve the problem?

So the workflow will look like this:

1) Company representative visits your site and applies for a user group: https://www.evernote...5aeuqeeZh4rC17A

2) You set special tax rates for this user group and location: https://www.evernote...5aeuqeeZh4rC17A

3) As a result the company gets correct tax rates during checkout.

 

All the required info like Company VAT or other business information you can get on Apply for a usergroup account step.


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Posted 17 March 2016 - 05:34 PM #135

That will not work. The company representative will not understand and leave the site.

Please keep in mind that if anything at all is too complex, then that's the end of a potential sale. Customers just go somewhere else.



 
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Posted 17 March 2016 - 06:17 PM #136

Pharma has right. To complex and anoying scenario.

 
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Posted 18 March 2016 - 08:09 AM #137

That will not work. The company representative will not understand and leave the site.

Please keep in mind that if anything at all is too complex, then that's the end of a potential sale. Customers just go somewhere else.

 

Pharma has right. To complex and anoying scenario.

Ok,

Please, let me know your step-by-step scenariao if you have one. I mean the full process.


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Posted 18 March 2016 - 08:45 PM #138

This tax issue is actually very simple to fix. I fixed it this way:

I used the "fax" field on the invoice because i don't use fax (settings->company->company fax).

Then I entered the following value in this field: "My_company (Vat number)".

Then I had to translate the fax name and give it the name "Company" (Administration->translations->fax).

 

Invoice then outputs something like:

Phone number: 123123132

Company: My company (Vat number)

etc...



 
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Posted 18 March 2016 - 08:50 PM #139

Ok,
Please, let me know your step-by-step scenariao if you have one. I mean the full process.

Hello imac,

My scenario is simple. I sell with taxes :) if you want to buy without taxes you contact sales and ask for extempt. I will require some documents like company registration and tax registration document. Then maybe then i will mark the checkbox :)

 
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Posted 20 March 2016 - 08:56 PM #140

Ok,
Please, let me know your step-by-step scenariao if you have one. I mean the full process.

The simplest thing imac is to add company field and vat no field to the registration process and fix of the current issue with tax extempt possibility. Will it be per user or usergroup will no matter. This will keep things simplified and if a customer want to buy without tax he can use the contact form to ask for it.