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Posted 04 August 2010 - 06:51 PM #101

I have uploaded a USPS Priority Mail Zebra label thru Endicia


I have no idea what a Endica label is but I have printed 1,000s of USPS priority labels and none had the company before the persons name.

Did you get a chance to look at the USPS official standards that I linked to?

Or Bob's link that clearly showed USPS standards?

In the end what we need is flexibility in the shopping cart so if you prefer the company name first and that works for your business that is good.

Also it is possible that some countries (Or maybe FedEx or UPS?) prefer the company name first so we need to be able to make everyone happy.

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Posted 04 August 2010 - 07:13 PM #102

I have no idea what a Endica label is but I have printed 1,000s of USPS priority labels and none had the company before the persons name.

Did you get a chance to look at the USPS official standards that I linked to?

Or Bob's link that clearly showed USPS standards?

In the end what we need is flexibility in the shopping cart so if you prefer the company name first and that works for your business that is good.

Also it is possible that some countries (Or maybe FedEx or UPS?) prefer the company name first so we need to be able to make everyone happy.


Here is where it is at:

The US Postal Service will allow deviation as to whether the individuals name, or company name is on line one or line two, either way they will allow the address to be officially confirmed. Why, simply because they are focused on getting the package or mail piece to an exact street address, suite number, city, state, zipcode, and country. These are the details which they will not deviate from.

So, yes there is, and always has been some "gray area" as to the display of the business name and individuals name on either line one or two.

However, a proper shipment to a "Business" should display the Business Name on the first line.....Why, because when Fedex, UPS, or even US Postal service is making a delivery to a business address, the package is being delivered to "the business", in this case the individuals name referenced on the label becomes for the most part "Secondary" & only used by the company's internal employees to further distribute the package to the individual within the company of which it was directed to.

You could call it "Business Proper" across all shipping channels.......

I have no more time to talk about this for today as I need to focus on making B2B shipments (& have no more time to talk about shipping tiddly winks to Aunt Betty as she does nothing more than cost's me money)...... :o
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Posted 04 August 2010 - 07:51 PM #103

LMAO!!! Yall have entirely too much time on your hands!

Edit: I have to agree with Struck no matter what the USPS, UPS, FedEx, etc... standard is. If you are shipping to a company, the company name should be first. The location of the business is not Attn: Joe Schmoe. But I am sure the package will reach its destination no matter which is first.

 
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Posted 04 August 2010 - 08:54 PM #104

I'm not sure if beta.cs-cart.com us running RC4 or not.

But I just cleared all my cache and all of a sudden the checkout isn't allowing a "+" (plus) in the email address anymore again, it worked in RC3. I'm testing stock RC4, lingerie skin.

Can anyone who is testing RC4 on their system confirm?
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Posted 04 August 2010 - 09:11 PM #105

New huge issue with PaypalExpress and gift certificates/order status in RC4 that wasn't there in RC3.

When selecting paypal on the 'checkout' page, without having clicked it at all on the 'cart' page it takes you to the paypal login screen. Then if you click 'cancel and return' it brings you back to the checkout page.

The issue RC4 brought is now instead of the order still being "Incomplete" when going back, it is changed to Canceled. As a side effect, that causes the gift certificate to be marked as used. So now they are back at the cart and they lost their gift certificate.

When they go back it gives the message "Order Placed: Transaction was canceled by the customer". It must actually be going into 'canceled' status. It should remain 'incomplete'. There shouldn't be any error message, the customer simply chose to go back.

I assume this error cropped up while attempting to fix this bug.
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Posted 05 August 2010 - 12:03 AM #106

Yes,
This should not be rushed, but after September, it is too late for me to use for this holiday season. The tax and discount calculations (calculated on subtotal) are what I have been waiting for, before using cs-cart. I would think very few people would want to upgrade right at the start of the holiday season.
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Bob,

I can understand why the guys at CS-Cart have a problem satisfying ALL its customer base..you gotta understand this Bob...it is not the start of a holiday season everywhere in the world..!!

I am sure there are a lot of users of CS Cart based in America, but lets not forget , the world is bigger than America... there are users in India, Australia, Africa and Europe, Asia and the list goes on......!

You might have your reasons for wanting the release at your convienence, lets not forget that in some other parts of the world where we use or intend to use CS Cart, we don't have the same work, holiday & accounting cylce as you.

Infact, for us in Australia this is the best time to implement change and a new system or an upgrade. If CS Cart guys can make the changes and release it, I would rather have it sooner than later. I DON'T MIND AN UPGRADE NOW AS LONG AS THE TAX/DISCOUNT CALCULATION ARE FIXED, AND the few other cosmetic changes that some want are fixed.

However, I agree with everyone, lets make sure we get a complete product rather than a half baked solution only to fix with another release to fix the problems.

I have no doubt there are other users all around the world who would have their own little timeline and agenda..lets consider EVERYONES needs rather than a few vocal ones.

And I can totally understand where Zeke is coming from when he has to deal with all these requests, because everyone have differing needs. So let the poor guys at CS-Cart listen and make the changes to be fair on every userbase and their work/life cyle.

This is a global product now..lets not forget that.

 
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Posted 05 August 2010 - 12:24 AM #107

Bob,
I am sure there are a lot of users of CS Cart based in America, but lets not forget , the world is bigger than America... there are users in India, Australia, Africa and Europe, Asia and the list goes on......!


CS-Cart.com traffic from Alexa.com:

United States 	23.3%
China 		9.6%
United Kingdom 	8.1%
India 		8.0%
Pakistan	7.1%
Greece 		5.5%
Russia 		5.2%
South Africa 	2.7%
Romania		2.1%
Colombia 	2.1%
Australia	1.8%


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Posted 05 August 2010 - 12:36 AM #108

phazei,

Useful info FYI..

Australian Financial year: starts in July
Summer Holidays: Dec/Jan:cool:

It's winter here now.:razz:

 
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Posted 05 August 2010 - 12:58 AM #109

Australian Financial year: starts in July
Summer Holidays: Dec/Jan:cool:

It's winter here now.:razz:


That's some crazy shit there yo. It's like you're all upside down in the southern hemisphere or something :lol: :lol:

Edit: Since x-mas is still on Dec 25... is your imagery of Santa any different? A sleigh would be a bit confusing.
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Posted 05 August 2010 - 01:01 AM #110

LMAO!!! Yall have entirely too much time on your hands!

Edit: I have to agree with Struck no matter what the USPS, UPS, FedEx, etc... standard is. If you are shipping to a company, the company name should be first. The location of the business is not Attn: Joe Schmoe. But I am sure the package will reach its destination no matter which is first.


Actually, we may not be talking about the same thing as we almost never ship to a business as a customer - we mail products to individuals who need to sign for registered mail so they often prefer to receive their order at their business.

As for standards for the USPS I will stay the course with what I have almost always seen growing up in America, and which I have cited as a reference for the USPS official standards.

If you can show official USPS standards please do so - otherwise you are doing what you prefer to do - which is fine - but is not the official standard for the USPS.

As for spending too much time on small details - we actually are in a luxury product business and we spend a lot of time getting all the small details correct in terms of packaging with hand written notes etc..

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Posted 05 August 2010 - 01:17 AM #111

Edit: Since x-mas is still on Dec 25... is your imagery of Santa any different? A sleigh would be a bit confusing.


You won't believe this but some here do a 'christmas in July' thing to make up for wintery feeling..!:D very strange...but true

But we still have our official xmas on 25 Dec and the santa wears a air conditioned costume and we have our christmas at the beach (so, the surf board replaces the sleigh..) because it's usually over 30 degrees depending on what part of Australia your in..:cool:

 
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Posted 05 August 2010 - 01:34 AM #112

Actually, we may not be talking about the same thing as we almost never ship to a business as a customer - we mail products to individuals who need to sign for registered mail so they often prefer to receive their order at their business.


Yes, we are talking about the same thing. If a customer purchases from you and wants the package to be sent to their place of work, whomever is delivering the package will be able to find "Travelers Inc." a lot easier than "Attn: Joe Schmoe".

As for standards for the USPS I will stay the course with what I have almost always seen growing up in America, and which I have cited as a reference for the USPS official standards.


Yep, and if the government also told you it was standard to go jump off a cliff you would comply as well. That's what is wrong nowadays...everyone wants the government to spoon feed them and run their lives for them. Can you say "Socialism"?

If you can show official USPS standards please do so - otherwise you are doing what you prefer to do - which is fine - but is not the official standard for the USPS.


No need to. It's not that important to me. I don't even use USPS.

As for spending too much time on small details - we actually are in a luxury product business and we spend a lot of time getting all the small details correct in terms of packaging with hand written notes etc..


More power to you! :grin:

 
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Posted 05 August 2010 - 01:52 AM #113

Yes, we are talking about the same thing. If a customer purchases from you and wants the package to be sent to their place of work, whomever is delivering the package will be able to find "Travelers Inc." a lot easier than "Attn: Joe Schmoe".

Again disagree



Yep, and if the government also told you it was standard to go jump off a cliff you would comply as well. That's what is wrong nowadays...everyone wants the government to spoon feed them and run their lives for them. Can you say "Socialism"?

I understand you are having fun - so no worries - but your statement is entertaining but not correct. I agree with the USPS standards and this is what I have always seen growing up in America and having been through business school and worked in large organizations.



No need to. It's not that important to me. I don't even use USPS.

So basically you are doing what you prefer to do but not what is formally correct per published standards which is OK and I encourage you to do so as we live in a capitalistic society.




More power to you! :grin:


Thank you - I work 7 days a week and have two small kids so I am often tired and need all the extra power that I can get - smiling.

Again no offense taken - I am easy going.

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Posted 05 August 2010 - 02:27 AM #114

we almost never ship to a business as a customer


Come one Traveler, do you think this may have some bearing on why you are having difficulty in understanding what we are trying so very hard to explain to you??

One more time:

The USPS does not govern Line 1 nor even Line 2 of an address, there absolute only concern is that the letter, or parcel is delivered to an actual street address which physically does exist. If you would like to test my theory, enter the following address format and do your official USPS address verification:

123 Main Street
Fort Worth, TX 98557

You will quickly realize that this address format will indeed verify, even without ANY individuals or business name included......... None at all !

So, like myself & Tool Outfitters is explaining to you, it is all about proper "Business Proper" formating. And this certainly directly relates to shipments routed through far more carriers than just US Postal.
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Posted 05 August 2010 - 02:29 AM #115

I only use UPS and the Company name is printed above the attention name when I create my shipping labels on their site. I believe Fedex follows this format as well. This would be my preferred format as the mail will get there based on address regardless of where the atttn is.
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Posted 05 August 2010 - 11:50 AM #116

Address display is still wrong:

Billing address: Tony Tony 1 Tony Dr Tonyville, Florida, United States
11111

Also noticed, first time through, if you have Shipping address same as billing, the boxes stay grayed out but with no data in them.

if you go to step 3, and then click CHANGE step 2, the shipping address blocks are still grayed out but have data in them now. Why doesn't this info appear on Step 2 the first time around?


We apologize for the confusion, beta.cs-cart.com has not been updated to v2.1.0rc4. Now it's has been updated, and you can check the address displaying.

As regards the issue with the grayed out fields at step 2, how should these fields be filled out? I mean letter by letter when you type in, or line by line? We consider this feature as a usability feature that does not affect the whole checkout process. This could be added in the following versions.

 
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Posted 05 August 2010 - 01:22 PM #117

Why the rush to get 2.1.0 out next week? Why not factor in the major points that have been brought up in this thread now that your user base has had a chance to play with the functionality? I think the vast majority of your users would much rather you put off this release until September or October than release it only to have the functionality reworked again in 2.1.1. I think the "Do it once and do it right" method would be a much better approach given that you have several "key" users on the fence regarding their future with CS-Cart.


Yes, yes and yes again.

Do not rush - yes, there are a few points with divided opinions you can use your judgment there.

But many more ideas are voiced by a strong majority.

The strongest suggestion from almost every user is to not rush and listen, and then fix the serious problems.

Why would you want to rush the update? have you received many requests that the forum does not know about to rush the update?


Dear friends, there is no rush at all.

There won't be any new features in v2.1.0, they will be added step by step in new releases. Please use the Ideas forum to let us see the really important features.

If you see really critical issues or real bugs in v2.1.0, please inform us about it, and we will investigate it carefully.

As regards the time of the release, there is a really important functionality: new taxes based on subtotal http://forum.cs-cart...ew&vbug_id=1532, incompleted orders and so on.

 
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Posted 05 August 2010 - 02:45 PM #118

Hello Imac,

We apologize for the confusion, beta.cs-cart.com has not been updated to v2.1.0rc4. Now it's has been updated, and you can check the address displaying.


The current address layout is like this:
John Doe
44 Main street
test
Boston, Massachusetts
United States
02134


The standard addresing lines format is as follows with the Country Name on the very last line, the City, State, Zip Code should all be on the same line, like this:

John Doe
44 Main Street
test
Boston, Massachusetts 02134
USA

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Posted 05 August 2010 - 02:54 PM #119

Imac,

As regards the issue with the grayed out fields at step 2, how should these fields be filled out? I mean letter by letter when you type in, or line by line? We consider this feature as a usability feature that does not affect the whole checkout process. This could be added in the following versions.


One idea for consideration would be to completely hide the right side " Shipping Address Fields" block if the "Use My Billing Address" is checked. If it is not checked, then the fields would be visable. Perhaps some other users can comment on this. ;)
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Posted 05 August 2010 - 04:01 PM #120

Imac,



One idea for consideration would be to completely hide the right side " Shipping Address Fields" block if the "Use My Billing Address" is checked. If it is not checked, then the fields would be visable. Perhaps some other users can comment on this. ;)


Yes I agree with Struck on this one, it is less confusion for the customer.

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