Let’s check other systems. Don’t go to far away with reporting becase i have to report every invoice to tax office 
Invoice has to be intercepted before creation, data sent to tax office and confirmed data then needs to be displayed in the final invoice…
Let’s stay with lower standards if soneone has time to checkout other shopping systems.
I’m going offline. This is madness
Just 1 question. If until now there was no possibility to enter 0 why are the people from us so against. How did you used the system until now?
2 questions
Just 1 question. If until now there was no possibility to enter 0 why are the people from us so against. How did you used the system until now?
2 questions ;)
Yep and don't arbitrarily add things like 0% to an invoice if taxes are not present or applicable to the transaction.
Guys, if you don't mind I would ask you to stop discuss 0% tax display option, because
1) It will be added.
2) you will be able to set 0% tax or empty value, thus in first case it will be displayed and in second not. See screen: https://www.evernote.com/shard/s257/sh/54dd8c89-5ce9-4f04-8bc5-d51f6f4cc5c0/e4085635302a5416/res/ebcff91e-13fb-4a40-a68a-fb2b331e1013/skitch.png?resizeSmall&width=832
Right now you can not save 0% tax, this is what we will add in one of the next minor versions. And if you intentionally created 0% tax it will be displayed.
Ah, here you are absolutely right.
What I have in my store is I modified invoice.tpl in
design/backend/mail/templates/orders
Below
{hook name="orders:invoice_company_info"}put
{__("my_company_data")}Now create new lang variable
http://demo.cs-cart.com/admin.php?dispatch=languages.translations
named "my_company_data"
and fill there all data like
Pet Store LLC
Some Street 1
UK
IBAN...
REG ID
VAT IDand anything you want..
Great idea.
Darius, can you please send me a sample invoice from the store where you have this modifications. I will keep collecting different invoices:)
Not sure how about current cs-cart version but earlier maybe 2x was allowing to choose or request user group. Such user group request could be with admin approval or without selectable.
Requesting say business user group could make extra profile fields visible.
http://demo.cs-cart.com/admin.php?dispatch=profile_fields.manage
Extra profile fields could have user group checkbox.
User groups:All Guest Registered user
It is really good idea because as you say not all are under EU law, not all deal Business to Business or export every day...
Yes the feature "Sign up for a user group is still there"
Not sure we will add the per group profile fields yet. I will continue investigating the tax exempt usage requirements.
But this is a good idea. Thanks Darius.
I read today that currently tax extempt is not quite clear how. In my cases where i bought items from example Germany and asked for tax extempt and the seller applied the tax is taken from the amount and 0% is displayed on tax rate,tax ammount and the invoice.
I belive on some provided link is such information. Google can be browsed for export taxes
I hope some others will share also their experience to find some final solution.
B2B transactions inside the EU (but not the same country): If buyer (and of course seller) has a valid VAT number tax does not need to be charged.
B2B transactions in the same EU country: VAT needs to be charged
B2C transactions inside the EU (same country, or different country):
VAT of country where product is sold (location of the shop/company) needs to be charged.
However if the company reaches a certain limit (for Austria this is the lowest, I believe 30k) then the company needs to register for VAT in the country it reached the limit for and pay tax there for orders that are being shipped there.
B2C transactions - shop/company inside the EU - customer from outside the EU:
no VAT should be charged (meaning the price should be the total including VAT minus the VAT)
If the VAT is 20% then the order total is 100% and VAT tax 20% is added on top of that, with a total of 120%.We know about this issue, but unfortunately we cannot figure out how the taxes should be calculated in this case yet.
So if the customer is tax exempt, then they should pay 100% instead of 120%.
Calculation for normal customer:
Order total: €83.33
VAT tax 20% €16.66
Total: €100
Shipping costs: €15
To be Paid: €115
Calculation for tax exempt customer:
Order total: €83.33
VAT tax €0
Total: €83.33
Shipping costs: €15
To be Paid: €98.33
For EU tax exempt status of companies can only be applied if both the seller and the customer have a valid VAT number and are within the EU.
So in relation to VAT there are 4 possible situations:
1. If both the seller and the buyer are in the same country then VAT needs to be calculated.
2. If the buyer is outside the EU and the seller is in the EU then no VAT needs to be calculated.
3. If either the buyer or the seller has no valid VAT number then VAT will need to be calculated.
4. If EU buyer and EU seller have a valid VAT number and are not within the same country, then VAT does not need to be charged. (VAT excempt)
This is different from 0% VAT which relates to products that have a 0% VAT tariff.
Finaly someone smart here:p
The limits are little bit higher…150k for germany. And when you go beyond this limit you will actualy register new subject so i would leave this option.
Because new subject is eqal new company => new shop…
This 4 general rules or models is probably also in other countries not only inside eu. So works bookeping.
Tax extempt should trigger such behaviour and it scctualy doesnt matter from where is someone coming when tax extempt is assigned to user or usergroup or the product for himself has an extemp
To not confuse nobody now i was speaking of manual type of asigning tax extempt. What Flow described is an automated workflow which uses the vies system to check the vat number…check if the country is not the same and then assigns tax extempt to user. Such solution exist in presta as a module.
I would lovely to solve this manual issuse because i belive that this solution can fit also in Russia or China.
Example :
You’re selling cs cart software to customer outside Russia. So you’re basicly exporting and don’t calculate tax for this subject.
You assign tax extempt which overrides tax and calculate 0% tax.
Obligatory is to show this info on invoice.
Your should point out that this scenario is for tax not included in price.
http://demo.cs-cart.com/admin.php?dispatch=taxes.manage
Price includes tax unthicked.
If the VAT is 20% then the order total is 100% and VAT tax 20% is added on top of that, with a total of 120%.
So if the customer is tax exempt, then they should pay 100% instead of 120%.
Calculation for normal customer:
Order total: €83.33
VAT tax 20% €16.66
Total: €100
Shipping costs: €15
To be Paid: €115
Calculation for tax exempt customer:
Order total: €83.33
VAT tax €0
Total: €83.33
Shipping costs: €15
To be Paid: €98.33
For EU tax exempt status of companies can only be applied if both the seller and the customer have a valid VAT number and are within the EU.
So in relation to VAT there are 4 possible situations:
1. If both the seller and the buyer are in the same country then VAT needs to be calculated.
2. If the buyer is outside the EU and the seller is in the EU then no VAT needs to be calculated.
3. If either the buyer or the seller has no valid VAT number then VAT will need to be calculated.
4. If EU buyer and EU seller have a valid VAT number and are not within the same country, then VAT does not need to be charged. (VAT excempt)
This is different from 0% VAT which relates to products that have a 0% VAT tariff.
I don’t understand what you mean. Tax can be alwayes excluded. Mandatory 8s to show prices with tax if you are tax registreded. In next steps they are separated and can only be excluded if one
Of the above scenarios take place…but i hope you will clarify what you are mean8ng exactly
I really hope this will not confuse others, there are just tiny amount of actual tax exempt products.
What Imac mentioned
2) you will be able to set 0% tax or empty value, thus in first case it will be displayed and in second not. See screen: https://www.evernote...Small&width=832
Is perfect.
I don't understand what you mean. Tax can be alwayes excluded. Mandatory 8s to show prices with tax if you are tax registreded. In next steps they are separated and can only be excluded if one
Of the above scenarios take place...but i hope you will clarify what you are mean8ng exactly
Your should point out that this scenario is for tax not included in price.
http://demo.cs-cart.com/admin.php?dispatch=taxes.manage
Price includes tax unthicked.
That's indeed another issue. Tax Exempt needs to be price excluding tax.
B2C needs to be price including tax. (mandatory by law in the EU) EU B2C always has VAT.
That's indeed another issue. Tax Exempt needs to be price excluding tax.
B2C needs to be price including tax. (mandatory by law in the EU) EU B2C always has VAT.
Always? Even to buyers outside of EU? I.e. if I buy products from your site, I get VAT in the price I pay even though I should not be taxed? This isn't a challenge, it's a question.
AFAIK if the customer is not a company then VAT is indeed charged.No matter where the customer is located.
Wow, didn't realize this. What a competitive disadvantage (from a global perspective). So a company in US selling the same goods would have an automatic 10% (or whatever the VAT rate is) price advantage over the same goods from the same supplier being sold in the EU? Ouch!
Well, as far as I can see there are not many stores (if any) that actually deduct tax from the cart if the price is including tax. The difference is that the seller will just add this to profit and not give it to their customer. The customer already agreed to a price per product and for the customer its irrelevant if that includes tax or not.
My point was comparing prices between a US site and a (for instance) UK site. A pair of sunglasses would almost automatically be priced higher in UK since VAT is included in price. So unless shipping made up the difference, the sale would inevitably go to the US merchant. Was less about what happens during sale than the decision about where to buy.
Interesting point. Guess geo-location in addition to shipping address could help that initial impression if the merchant truly was willing to sell outside EU without VAT (pocketed or not).