Why CSCART is the slowest CMS that anyone in the history of earth has done?

General General Questions
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[quote name=‘tom437’ timestamp=‘1363878735’ post=‘158380’]

Can I see that website that loaded in 2-3 seconds? :grin:

[/quote]Yes, you can.

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[quote name='martfox' timestamp='1363895076' post='158411']

We can't do that without the permission of the account owner. But you can upload your whole cart to our server to see where the problem is.

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I'd be happy if you notice that my problem was reported to cs cart support and I provided full ftp access so they can make sure there are no problems with how I set the store up.

I got a clear response that it is OK for cs cart to load 96 products page for that amount of time and 20 sec add to cart is not a bug as well. That they indeed reload FULL catalogue on each add to cart click.

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[quote name='Compact Discount' timestamp='1363889479' post='158402']

http://www.compactdiscount.com



I used all the suggestions at this link

http://forum.cs-cart…cart-version-3/



I also upped up hosting to the fastest I could.

[/quote]It deppends also from where you access the site - 12 seconds from your country, 1 second from our country. Then where is the problem?

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what?

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There is a pingdom.com country. Sadly I can't send his link with 96products per page there. There is no such option in cs cart to force add amount of products into link.

[size=4]Don't forget there is an option to test the store even locally. Results aren't impressive as well, throwing all the countries and dedicated bull$ out.[/size]

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[quote name='maxst' timestamp='1363895505' post='158415']

I'd be happy if you notice that my problem was reported to cs cart support and I provided full ftp access so they can make sure there are no problems with how I set the store up.

I got a clear response that it is OK for cs cart to load 96 products page for that amount of time and 20 sec add to cart is not a bug as well. That they indeed reload FULL catalogue on each add to cart click.

[/quote]I don'y know what they meant with the respose and also I don't care about it, sorry - you can try, what has been mentionted above.

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[quote name=‘maxst’ timestamp=‘1363895816’ post=‘158419’]

There is a pingdom.com country. Sadly I can’t send his link with 96products per page there. There is no such option in cs cart to force add amount of products into link.

[size=4]Don’t forget there is an option to test the store even locally. Results aren’t impressive as well, throwing all the countries and dedicated bull$ out.[/size]

[/quote]What is pingdome. com ? :-) Do you know, how the “thing” works?

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Ignorance is sometimes bliss.

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As you can see, everyone here try to help you with your issue. It's just your decision if you “want” it, or not…

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We have over 5,000 products, and live over 1,100 products. Our site runs fairly smooth.



We use mddhosting.com and a semi dedicated server so maybe that helps, but for 3 years have been happy with CS-Cart.



Russ

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Russ, can you please show load time of your catalogue with 96 models per page? And load time of product added to cart from exactly same page.

Thank you.

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Guys the wole thing that some of os is trynig to say si that - when the cscart has to show more than 15 Producte per page i tget really really slow and slows down as you show more products, add to cdart on that page is same loading time as page refresh 20-30secs checked and tested on many hostings andf machines, its not about where you are or what is your location. Right now im investigating cs cart mysql quries and it i see it makes dozens if not gazillions totally unneeded queries to db fo disabled features.



Ping with the server is 10ms → Request goes to the server in 10ms → request lives on the server 23Secs → Response header goes back in 12ms



so the problem is not internet connection the problem is how cscart is written and it is done in an optimize-less programming fassion.

i'm experienced php developer and i know what im saying. It could be tweaked instantly and greatly optimized in a few days, but client will loose ability to update new versions and bugfixes.

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[quote name='norbert' timestamp='1363957611' post='158500']

Guys the wole thing that some of os is trynig to say si that - when the cscart has to show more than 15 Producte per page i tget really really slow and slows down as you show more products, add to cdart on that page is same loading time as page refresh 20-30secs checked and tested on many hostings andf machines, its not about where you are or what is your location. Right now im investigating cs cart mysql quries and it i see it makes dozens if not gazillions totally unneeded queries to db fo disabled features.



Ping with the server is 10ms → Request goes to the server in 10ms → request lives on the server 23Secs → Response header goes back in 12ms



so the problem is not internet connection the problem is how cscart is written and it is done in an optimize-less programming fassion.

i'm experienced php developer and i know what im saying. It could be tweaked instantly and greatly optimized in a few days, but client will loose ability to update new versions and bugfixes.

[/quote]Hi, so in this case you should conatct CS-Cart developers and provide them with your checks and recommendations. I'm sure they will give you the right answer.

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[quote name='maxst' timestamp='1363904041' post='158440']

Russ, can you please show load time of your catalogue with 96 models per page? And load time of product added to cart from exactly same page.

Thank you.

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1 image shows homepage 1 shows category ho much slower with 100 products, BUT when using the site the feel of it is much quicker than the 6 seconds as quoted. No real server optimising has been done to this site except some config.local tweaks



http://www.elitesign…it-arrow-signs/



http://www.elitesignsandbanners.co.uk

elite test 1.JPG

elite test 2.JPG

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[size=5]This is the LOG for showing 126 products on FRONT PAGE[/size]



After init

[color=#333333][font=Arial, Tahoma, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]- Memory: 14,129,528[/size][/font][/color]

[color=#333333][font=Arial, Tahoma, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]- Files: 38[/size][/font][/color]

[color=#333333][font=Arial, Tahoma, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]- Queries: 26[/size][/font][/color]



Before TPL

[color=#333333][font=Arial, Tahoma, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]- Memory: 3,828,880 (17,958,408)[/size][/font][/color]

[color=#333333][font=Arial, Tahoma, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]- Files: 10 (48)[/size][/font][/color]

[color=#333333][font=Arial, Tahoma, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]- Queries: 643 (669)[/size][/font][/color]

[color=#333333][font=Arial, Tahoma, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]- Time: 0.4175 (0.4175)[/size][/font][/color]



Start render location

[color=#333333][font=Arial, Tahoma, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]- Memory: 844,200 (18,802,608)[/size][/font][/color]

[color=#333333][font=Arial, Tahoma, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]- Files: 15 (63)[/size][/font][/color]

[color=#333333][font=Arial, Tahoma, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]- Queries: 1 (670)[/size][/font][/color]

[color=#333333][font=Arial, Tahoma, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]- Time: 0.0122 (0.4298)[/size][/font][/color]



End render location

[color=#333333][font=Arial, Tahoma, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]- Memory: 3,982,376 (22,784,984)[/size][/font][/color]

[color=#333333][font=Arial, Tahoma, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]- Files: 36 (99)[/size][/font][/color]

[color=#333333][font=Arial, Tahoma, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]- Queries: 399 (1069)[/size][/font][/color]

[color=#333333][font=Arial, Tahoma, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]- Time: 6.9842 (7.4140)[/size][/font][/color]



After TPL

[color=#333333][font=Arial, Tahoma, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]- Memory: -497,008 (22,287,976)[/size][/font][/color]

[color=#333333][font=Arial, Tahoma, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]- Files: 1 (100)[/size][/font][/color]

[color=#333333][font=Arial, Tahoma, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]- Queries: 0 ([/size][/font][/color][color=#ff0000][font=Arial,Tahoma,Helvetica,sans-serif][size=3]1069[/size][/font][/color][color=#333333][font=Arial, Tahoma, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]) <----- :-o[/size][/font][/color][color=#333333][font=Arial, Tahoma, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=3] [/size][/font][/color]

[color=#333333][font=Arial, Tahoma, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]- Time: 5.9572 (13.3712)[/size][/font][/color]





[size=5]This is the LOG for showing 126 products on ADMIN PAGE[/size]:



After init

  • Memory: 14,120,064
  • Files: 38
  • Queries: 33



    Before TPL
  • Memory: 2,603,432 (16,723,496)
  • Files: 14 (52)
  • Queries: 75 (108)
  • Time: 0.1245 (0.1245)



    After TPL
  • Memory: 2,245,024 (18,968,520)
  • Files: 53 (105)
  • Queries: 60 ([color=#ff0000]168[/color]) <---- :grin:
  • Time: 1.2644 (1.3889)







    So misconception on backed code is obvious now
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I have over 30,000 items and prolly around 20,000 categories.



My site was pretty slow until I did some optimization and combining CSS.



Now it loads with about 3-5

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you probably from cscart marketing team singing same song on every forum post for seo to pickup such a nonsense,

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[size=6]http://www.harpermoto.com[/size]



128 products per page:



test result :



[color=#FFFFFF]146 requests ❘ 1.3 MB transferred ❘ 41.04 s (onload: 41.03 s, DOMContentLoaded: 36.52 s)[/color]

sorry for double

[size=6]http://www.harpermoto.com[/size]



128 products per page:



test result :

146 requests ❘ 1.3 MB transferred ❘ 41.04 s (onload: 41.03 s, DOMContentLoaded: 36.52 s)

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[quote name='norbert'timestamp='1363963008' post='158512']

you probably from cscart marketing team singing same song on every forum post for seo to pickup such a nonsense,

[/quote]



That's hilarious!

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[quote name='Magpie Don' timestamp='1363965034' post='158515']

That's hilarious!

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It's hilarious when person is stating completely oposite of reality (stating 2 seconds load time when reality is 46 seconds), i just made assumption here